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This website is making great progress in synthetic videos. This video was super clear. In my opinion, the animations of bits of text and moving trash can indicating what to do with a leftover solution were clear. Keep it up.
 
Can be synthed pretty easy from the decarboxing of l-proline and basic carbonate I am attempting this today proline can be found cheap even on Amazon the.whole thing only requires a simple distillation and some high Temps. Pyrrolidine is my last hurtle I have good bromo ketone choping at the bit to be animated
 
amazing video! Respect to its creators! in this regard, I have a question for the respected community, the fact is that I exactly followed the instructions from it, and at the very end, when I brought pH = 6, and put the vessel in the freezer, after almost 2 days I took it out and I saw that almost nothing had formed in it, except for a handful of crystals, which, when washed with dehydrated acetone, disappeared without a trace. what's the matter? what exactly did I do wrong?
 
anybody knows where i can find pyrrolidin vendor?
Synthetics sells it on Etsy and eBay. He has hundreds of thousands of sales. A little thought and you could get it without revealing your identity and he's in Texas so no customs
 
Synthetics sells it on Etsy and eBay. He has hundreds of thousands of sales. A little thought and you could get it without revealing your identity and he's in Texas so no customs
Yes ive gotten from him several times in florida.top notch stuff.
 
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amazing video! Respect to its creators! in this regard, I have a question for the respected community, the fact is that I exactly followed the instructions from it, and at the very end, when I brought pH = 6, and put the vessel in the freezer, after almost 2 days I took it out and I saw that almost nothing had formed in it, except for a handful of crystals, which, when washed with dehydrated acetone, disappeared without a trace. what's the matter? what exactly did I do wrong?
Hi.thanku for your post.sorry i do not have a well educated answer for you.i too will be attempting to carry out this synthesis as well.ive be cramming the chemistry and general chemistry behind it for months,while collecting the things needed.from a near idiots standpoint(me),if the crystals disappeared they where solublized by the solvent,the acetone.per video,a-pvp is said to be partially soluble in cold acetone.acetone is generally not very water containing ive seen.as a idiot,lol,i question where the crystals a-pvp? And was the solvent dry enough? Hope im understanding u correctly.i will follow you.best wishes.
 
Hi.thanku for your post.sorry i do not have a well educated answer for you.i too will be attempting to carry out this synthesis as well.ive be cramming the chemistry and general chemistry behind it for months,while collecting the things needed.from a near idiots standpoint(me),if the crystals disappeared they where solublized by the solvent,the acetone.per video,a-pvp is said to be partially soluble in cold acetone.acetone is generally not very water containing ive seen.as a idiot,lol,i question where the crystals a-pvp? And was the solvent dry enough? Hope im understanding u correctly.i will follow you.best wishes.
the ph value must be 5 not 6 6 is wrong
 
Hi.thanku for your post.sorry i do not have a well educated answer for you.i too will be attempting to carry out this synthesis as well.ive be cramming the chemistry and general chemistry behind it for months,while collecting the things needed.from a near idiots standpoint(me),if the crystals disappeared they where solublized by the solvent,the acetone.per video,a-pvp is said to be partially soluble in cold acetone.acetone is generally not very water containing ive seen.as a idiot,lol,i question where the crystals a-pvp? And was the solvent dry enough? Hope im understanding u correctly.i will follow you.best wishes.
don't leave it in the fridge for 2 days, just leave it for 12 hours
 
amazing video! Respect to its creators! in this regard, I have a question for the respected community, the fact is that I exactly followed the instructions from it, and at the very end, when I brought pH = 6, and put the vessel in the freezer, after almost 2 days I took it out and I saw that almost nothing had formed in it, except for a handful of crystals, which, when washed with dehydrated acetone, disappeared without a trace. what's the matter? what exactly did I do wrong?
Sure sounds like your solvents weren't anhydrous. If you saved them you can recover the alkaloids
 
AMINATION Witam ludzi biznesu Mam pytanie. 1). 4L octan etylu 1100ml pirolidyna czy dotyczy to 1kg 2 bromowalerofenonu? 2). Zgodnie z instrukcją wideo potrzebujesz 400ml octanu etylu, 87g pirolidyny (czy 87g 110ml pirolidyny?) Czy to 87g pirolidyny to inna dawka 2bromowaleofenonu? 3). Czy mogę krystalizować z a-pvp hcl z IPA i zostawić na 3-4 dni, aby uzyskać duże kryształy? Dziękuję wszystkim, którzy pomogli
 
Hi to all gentlemen. while working for pvp.HCl synthesis, bromination was successful. However, during amination, color of rxn was faded and never turned back deeper after complete mixing of pyrrolidine. During crystallization, pH was made 5, but the very little crystals came out after resting for 16 hrs in deep freezer. 10 ml of valerophenone and other chemicals in proper ratio gave only 0.8 g of PVP.HCl dry crystals. Can any one identify the reason for such small product, while every step was exactly same as advised.
 
Hi to all gentlemen. while working for pvp.HCl synthesis, bromination was successful. However, during amination, color of rxn was faded and never turned back deeper after complete mixing of pyrrolidine. During crystallization, pH was made 5, but the very little crystals came out after resting for 16 hrs in deep freezer. 10 ml of valerophenone and other chemicals in proper ratio gave only 0.8 g of PVP.HCl dry crystals. Can any one identify the reason for such small product, while every step was exactly same as advised.
Further to this, I thought, may be my HCl was not 37% as the bottle cork was open when I found it, so the strength of acid would have been depleted. That might be the reason to use more volume of acid to reach at pH of 5 and hence more water was introduced which stopped the pvp.HCl to crystalize. Therefore I added sufficient QTY of dry acetone to lower the percentage of water in the solution. However, after putting the solution for further 16 hrs in freezer, I found no crystals but saw a thin yellow layer of unknown liquid, floating on acetone surface. I am surprised what is this. It can not the watery solution of pvp salt, as water is not only heavy than acetone and Et. acetate but also miscible with acetone. It can not be pvp free base as the pH is still near 5. Moreover, for the sake of argument, if it would be free base, it would had been dissolved in organic solvent i.e. mixture of acetone and Et.acetate. Can any friend suggest what the hell is this which is lighter than acetone, non miscible with organic solvents, neither it is water nor free base.....I m unable to understand, kindly share your valued opinion for my guidance. thanks to all.
 
Hello, I would like to ask for a little help because I am self-taught and I don't know anyone who is interested in this, I am asking you for help with mathematical calculations, please give me a sign if possible, I mean the amount of 2-bromovalerophenone used in the video to get Alpha-Pvp, is it the same principle as for amphetamine, i.e. 1M Bromoketone + 1.5M Pyrrolidine? it would turn out that 2-bromovalerophenone was used in an amount of about 196.61g per 87g of pyrrolidine, did I count correctly?
 
hello everyone I have followed the steps for the production of a-pvp but that has not happened as it should be i suspect that the videos on the internet is just shit i have followed all the steps but ghet about not at all i have invested a lot of money but in the end 0 does not happen too bad that's so it's a-pvp that's just a lie
 
Hello, does someone know if in this synthesis, the alpha-pvp vapors can be a problem ? Is a fume hood necessary ?
 
Did you guys know what valeraphenone comes from valeric acid ( of course you did) BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT VALERIC ACID COMED FROM THE PLANT VALERIAN? Valeria officianalis It's an invasive species in the United States and is common in Europe and Asia. People sell it dried in bulk on the internet.
 
Did you guys know what valeraphenone comes from valeric acid ( of course you did) BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT VALERIC ACID COMED FROM THE PLANT VALERIAN? Valeria officianalis It's an invasive species in the United States and is common in Europe and Asia. People sell it dried in bulk on the internet.
Your information is amazing.
I found valerufonone on one of the sites, but it is risky to buy it, because I think everyone knows that valerufenone is only for alpha.
What do you think ?
 
Your information is amazing.
I found valerufonone on one of the sites, but it is risky to buy it, because I think everyone knows that valerufenone is only for alpha.
What do you think ?
It's less obvious if you call it p
2-bromo-phenyl-pentan-1-one

It has also been used in the synthesis of various heterocyclic compounds, such as pyridines, pyrimidines, and thiophenes. Additionally, 2-bromo-1-phenyl-pentan-1-one is used in the synthesis of polymers, such as polyacrylonitrile, polyvinyl chloride, and polyethylene
 
It's less obvious if you call it p
2-bromo-phenyl-pentan-1-one

It has also been used in the synthesis of various heterocyclic compounds, such as pyridines, pyrimidines, and thiophenes. Additionally, 2-bromo-1-phenyl-pentan-1-one is used in the synthesis of polymers, such as polyacrylonitrile, polyvinyl chloride, and polyethylene
This is amazing.
thanks for your help.
 
I'd love to get syth for MDPV, is it muchore complicated that a-pvp? Also how necessary is the recrystallization processes? Wouldn't the HCl be more suitable for IV use?
 
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Suppliers from China
I tried to buy from this guy and he laughed at me insulted me and said he was going back to bed. In China, turds sell precursors, but they actually don't. Made me tell him the CAS
I'd love to get syth for MDPV, is it muchore complicated that a-pvp? Also how necessary is the recrystallization processes? Wouldn't the HCl be more suitable for IV use?
I believe it is exactly the same procedure using methylene-dioxy pyrovelarophenone < a-bromo-methylenedioxy-pyrovelaraophenone<MDPV< MDPV hcl
 
That does seem to be the most logical way :)

Thanks
I tried to buy from this guy and he laughed at me insulted me and said he was going back to bed. In China, turds sell precursors, but they actually don't. Made me tell him the CAS

I believe it is exactly the same procedure using methylene-dioxy pyrovelarophenone < a-bromo-methylenedioxy-pyrovelaraophenone<MDPV< I

These people sell pretty much everything under the sun. They're basically the Amazon of China. So you can expect them to know everything about every item. But you do make a valid point.



BTW have you looked at polish vendors for precursors
 
These people sell pretty much everything under the sun. They're basically the Amazon of China. So you can expect them to know everything about every item.
Not true.
They do not have
2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one CAS 33809-96-0

For whatever reason, no one has.
 
Yeah ok you have a point. They also don't always stock stuff like a pvp but remember what the penalty for drugs in China is. But yeah if the dude laughed at you he's am asshole and unprofessional. Font you fare buy from him and give him the satisfaction..


Are u in the eu or basically why order from China? U could lose it at customer and it will take ages to arrive
 
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Yeah ok you have a point. They also don't always stock stuff like a pvp but remember what the penalty for drugs in China is. But yeah if the dude laughed at you he's am asshole and unprofessional. Font you fare buy from him and give him the satisfaction..


Are u in the eu or basically why order from China? U could lose it at customer and it will take agr
 
@NinjaFlakkaZombie Well because Chinese vendors advertise it at prices so low that it's impossible to look away. They no longer offer it for sale in the open forum but if you pm them, they offered it to me for about $125/kg (2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one) and $115/L for the pyrovelarophenone equivalent. I wouldn't accept anything illegal from China. The risk is astronomical in my opinion. I have bought it off of a major online marketplace, received it, sent from inside the USA, with no fanfare, no questions were asked and it's been 2 months and is long gone from my possession. It was expensive compared to Chinese prices. Basically $4/g.
The person is either licensed to receive such things ( the DEA does issue paperwork for businesses to have things of the nature), in a position to procure them with little risk ( such as the faculty of a University department licensed to possess it)or has put a lot of effert into obscuring his identity through incorporations business licensing and mail forwarding
 
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My sample of MDPV was made from bromo-MDP1P obtained state side from a VERY POPULAR WEBSITE! now did i pay with my first borns soul for a very small amount well yess but it’s rather nice and pure bromoketone.
 
I totally agree I've talked to so many chibese vendors but then my senses get the better of my.. keep that shit discrète. Prison is boring and lawyers arent cheap. I'm currently waiting for something from china (very small quantity and reputable vendorbalso not cheap but cheap for what it is). If ur buying precursors tho keep that shit as close to home as u can and if u buy from china im learningvthe value of patience but im gonna end up dailing the course haha
@NinjaFlakkaZombie Well because Chinese vendors advertise it at prices so low that it's impossible to look away. They no longer offer it for sale in the open forum but if you pm them, they offered it to me for about $125/kg (2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one) and $115/L for the pyrovelarophenone equivalent. I wouldn't accept anything illegal from China. The risk is astronomical in my opinion. I have bought it off of a major online marketplace, received it, sent from inside the USA, with no fanfare, no questions were asked and it's been 2 months and is long gone from my possession. It was expensive compared to Chinese prices. Basically $4/g.
The person is either licensed to receive such things ( the DEA does issue paperwork for businesses to have things of the nature), in a position to procure them with little risk ( such as the faculty of a University department licensed to possess it)or has put a lot of effert into obscuring his identity through incorporations business licensing and mail forwarding
 
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In in the eu and if im hetting precursors theyre coming from an eu state for sure. We dont have a real comparison to the dea but still. Precursors and drugs.. diffenrent ballgame...fuck that its a different sport entirely. I think ull br ok with an ounce of pvp from china (not legal advice) 2-bromo on the otherhand they will envie you tp to there hôtel room. Net tging u kboz the bathrobe slifndes iff revealing the long yard Dick of the law and ull take all of it. U guys (I'm American too just dont live there take the war on drugs so seriously and enforce it and prevent it in the dumbest ways imaginable... never buy non domestic precursors
 
i have felt every MM of the US justice systems yard long unit all for a used weed pipe that was full of dirt (left in fishing bag) they will charge you with eq sentecne of 100kg marrijunna for every gram of bromo compound which they will first convert in there wacky coke indude delerium to cocaine and then for every gram that come up with will be the same sentencing guideline as 100kgs of weed if your gonna play there game gotta be ready to pony up for a real good lawyer
 
Oh no flakka makes youna.zombie that eats faces. Coke is what rich people do and.isnt.addictive at all

Theyll put ypu on death row ( dont worry the prison not the record lable they arent monsters)
 
🫨😱😵💫 Jesus man, you had me scared for a second, then I realized that you are just a tad dramatic. To be fair the police and government in general are a bit dramatic. So you're with the government you say? 🤔 I know there's enough hoops to jump through and walls to hide behind that a person could have a package intercepted and evade identification, but the amount of effort it takes is more than the amount of effort it takes to synth 4-mmc starting from valerian roots or mdma from Sassafras bark. None of these things am I capable of not do I think I can learn them in the amount of life I have left. I would much rather just buy drugs but the quality is so low where I'm at that one can hardly extract or purify it to a usable level. It doesn't even matter if you buy expensive or cheap drugs, they're all neutered.
 
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🫨😱😵💫 Jesus man, you had me scared for a second, then I realized that you are just a tad dramatic. To be fair the police and government in general are a bit dramatic. So you're with the government you say? 🤔 I know there's enough hoops to jump through and walls to hide behind that a person could have a package intercepted and evade identification, but the amount of effort it takes is more than the amount of effort it takes to synth 4-mmc starting from valerian roots or mdma from Sassafras bark. None of these things am I capable of not do I think I can learn them in the amount of life I have left. I would much rather just buy drugs but the quality is so low where I'm at that one can hardly extract or purify it to a usable level. It doesn't even matter if you buy expensive or cheap drugs, they're all neutered.
this is very true but having a cheap uncut substance is whole different world from street grade. one that i did not discover untill chem came in my life but its been a life time devotion tho and a huge invesment . i sleep well at night knowing what serve is free from toxic cuts and fillers and one less persson that gonna die from fent
 
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Haha yeah totally with the government. I spent a year doing surveilance of a prison cell well.a couple months to honest


Tho actually it's nor.dumb to think this way, the cops come after clients too depending on products bought and location (let's.fscw it sereot7ped.dxist for a reason Anand yea police are very terrified of riding in cars or doing too.much nkn work.work.


It's best not go trust.anyonr here
He'll even.heisenberh could br a cop... it's unlikely but.as an example it's just u never know so I get.pissef of when.some guy who barely understands what I'm telling him is offering a.conversation which includes my shipping address



I'm not a chemist yet and.altho I've done my research and felt is less.dsnhetous for.me.. instil would never work withnut. I remember my would sleep over a day from 0.5 of Xanax and felt hot.pocks too. It's.a.baf idea tonwork.with that.. at the.momenr I always bumpy my at a place that doesn't serve. Wrl but they don't cut... I. Belgium that basically means they are selling what u buy .in Columbia and their smaller bags I.male be getting a little ripped fmodf burning put this stuff.in my veins so... nomquestion from weed to xtc ALWAYS choose qualityband then work on it creasing production. Iioking forward.to my first Cookson. Much nut inkniq I.wont gave great product nut my goal I'd finnishingneijt A-one predilection.. incan worf with that and get better
 
Haha yeah totally with the government. I spent a year doing surveilance of a prison cell well.a couple months to honest


Tho actually it's nor.dumb to think this way, the cops come after clients too depending on products bought and location (let's.fscw it sereot7ped.dxist for a reason Anand yea police are very terrified of riding in cars or doing too.much nkn work.work.


It's best not go trust.anyonr here
He'll even.heisenberh could br a cop... it's unlikely but.as an example it's just u never know so I get.pissef o
Most of that I Can't understand but the government thing was a joke of course and yes it's hard to remove adulterants sometimes impossible and an uphill battle because you usually don't know what they are. I pay top dollar for drugs but even then I rarely get high purity. A couple years ago I reliably got cocaine that titrated to 78% for $350/3.5g. it was the best stuff around, every one agreed. I paid the same price for the same amount of what was supposed to be crystal mdma a few months ago and I go purple crushed powder. It tested positive on 2 tests but it took 600 mg to get high on
 
where i am from you 350 for a cut and your lucky if its 10percent (good stuff) is lucky to break 20 its very bad.I have seen that purple powder making the rounds i wonder if the there a small amount of mdma in with a analog i have seen many snyths from sas to pmk and never did i see some out purple like that maybe shades of purple but good mdma should be a stunning sparkly crystal and never take 600mg i rateher bk-md at that point
 
where i am from you 350 for a cut and your lucky if its 10percent (good stuff) is lucky to break 20 its very bad.I have seen that purple powder making the rounds i wonder if the there a small amount of mdma in with a analog i have seen many snyths from sas to pmk and never did i see some out purple like that maybe shades of purple but good mdma should be a stunning sparkly crystal and never take 600mg i rateher bk-md at that point
Well I took 300 and an hour later another 300. There's a mountain of purple pressies going around right now that people are warning about being so strong, and I think the guy probably just crushed those up and sold them. I'm thinking 6 pressies=3600 mg and has an actual 1800mg of MD in it. You know bk-mdma becomes regular mdma in 1 reaction. I want to say a Wilkinson, but I didn't look it up
 
@NinjaFlakkaZombie Well because Chinese vendors advertise it at prices so low that it's impossible to look away. They no longer offer it for sale in the open forum but if you pm them, they offered it to me for about $125/kg (2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one)
This is not true?! Do you know HOW many times I was asking for 2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one AND NOBODY had it.
No, only everyone wanted to sell all kind of other chemicals with 25kg MOQ.
I wouldn't accept anything illegal from China. The risk is astronomical in my opinion.
? What risk do you have if you don't order something on your real name and address?
 
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This is not true?! Do you know HOW many times I was asking for 2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one AND NOBODY had it.
No, only everyone wanted to sell all kind of other chemicals with 25kg MOQ.

? What risk do you have if you don't order something on your real name and address?
I'll screenshot the convos if you insist, I've gotten 5 quotes for both. I can't show you Precursor-supplier's because he has auto self destruct on his telegraph.
You risk your freedom. Did you think that they realise the name is fake and say fuck it? They could put a tracker the size of a grain of rice right into the corrugation of the box and watch you take it somewhere and then surveill that place and wait until you try to use it to kick the door in. They could deliver it to the address and fly a drone over it in a pattern 2 miles up and wait for you to try to collect it. I can think of at least a couple of other things they could do.
You haven't thought this through. You aren't going to maintain your freedom for 6 months if you don't consider the manpower money and technology the DEA has.
 
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This is not true?! Do you know HOW many times I was asking for 2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one AND NOBODY had it.
No, only everyone wanted to sell all kind of other chemicals with 25kg MOQ.

? What risk do you have if you don't order something on your real name and address?
No, the MOQ of 1kg is now, but the price is a little higher
 
Yeah I got quotes in the $125/kg range and $80 shipping. Id pay 3x that without batting an eye if it was sent domestically. I actually spent a shitload on some domestically. $200 for 50 grams and I'll do it again soon so if you are legit and can beat that price. I know a buyer
 
That's not even a valid cas# as far as I can tell.
2-bromo-4-methylpropriophenone
2-bromo-1(4-methylphenyl)pentan-1-one
1451-82-7
 
That's not even a valid cas# as far as I can tell.
It is very well a valid CAS#

CAS 33809-96-0
2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one

A picture:

And lnks:

2-bromo-4-methylpropriophenone
This ^^ one: "2-bromo-4-methylpropriophenone" is a different chemical.

I always wrote "2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one" and you and @SHUO856 repeated it multiple times.

2-bromo-1(4-methylphenyl)pentan-1-one
Yes and this ^^ one is again something different.
1451-82-7
^^ Not "2-bromo-4-methyl-1-phenylpentan-1-one"
 
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Funny thing is that more than one people here claimed and many posts that there are sellors and prices and of course, it's easy. No, it isn't.

This is the one:

33809-96-0.gif


Anyway, this chemical is relevant for the topic here.
 
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I really can't understand the euphoria here. The end product looks terrible and the impurities are visible to the naked eye. I wouldn't even take this if I were paid for it.
The cleaning of the intermediate product and the free base is supposed to be a joke.
Why does everything always have to be quick and dirty?
As Uncle Fester once said: If you put shit in, you get shit out. Regardless of whether it is psychoactive or not.
 
I really can't understand the euphoria here. The end product looks terrible and the impurities are visible to the naked eye. I wouldn't even take this if I were paid for it.
The cleaning of the intermediate product and the free base is supposed to be a joke.
Why does everything always have to be quick and dirty?
As Uncle Fester once said: If you put shit in, you get shit out. Regardless of whether it is psychoactive or not.
Correct, look as this product of alpha-pvp offered here. The impurities are visible:

productbefores.jpg


So, not only an experiences pyrro smoker got an asthma attack from it, this happens to the colorless acetone when washing it:

acetoneafterwash1u2s.jpg


It's not a healthy thing.
 
Just to compare CAS 1451-82-7

39486.png


This is a precursor for which Pyrro Synthesis?
I was confused about which thread we were in. I actively comment in about 10 ongoing threads about 2-b-4-mp. I think you asked me what chemical I was referring to and I responded 14551-82-7, you should have realized that no? I do drugs bro. I got confused
 
I really can't understand the euphoria here. The end product looks terrible and the impurities are visible to the naked eye. I wouldn't even take this if I were paid for it.
The cleaning of the intermediate product and the free base is supposed to be a joke.
Why does everything always have to be quick and dirty?
As Uncle Fester once said: If you put shit in, you get shit out. Regardless of whether it is psychoactive or not.
It looks like an actual chemist has landed here.
 
Yeah I got quotes in the $125/kg range and $80 shipping. Id pay 3x that without batting an eye if it was sent domestically. I actually spent a shitload on some domestically. $200 for 50 grams and I'll do it again soon so if you are legit and can beat that price. I know a buyer
Can u help me with a supplier?
 
Yeah ok you have a point. They also don't always stock stuff like a pvp but remember what the penalty for drugs in China is. But yeah if the dude laughed at you he's am asshole and unprofessional. Font you fare buy from him and give him the satisfaction..


Are u in the eu or basically why order from China? U could lose it at customer and it will take ages to arrive
China manufacture must of chems and outsource the APVP on Vietnam (india). I am finding put a police-hunted former China-manufacturer; now turned turned to trading narcs from Vietnam Mexico Paraguy Usa. Lowest price possible. I just have to get what I ordered. All narc-parcels are from eu/china they all gone straight to me-eu. You get scammed until you get the dream drug deal🤩🥳
 
Yeah ok you have a point. They also don't always stock stuff like a pvp but remember what the penalty for drugs in China is. But yeah if the dude laughed at you he's am asshole and unprofessional. Font you fare buy from him and give him the satisfaction..


Are u in the eu or basically why order from China? U could lose it at customer and it will take agr
Beacuse when you find The delivering shady trade company; you struck gold... I know that for sure. Just keep on looking for it, China is so big and have outsourcing to other countries. Or buy from me here when time comes. CHINA IS THE GOAL...dont you forget the source. CHINA GOT IT
 

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